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5.1.0 sources and Windows binaries uploaded

John W. Eaton
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The 5.1.0 sources and Windows have been uploaded to ftp.gnu.org.  I will
make a formal release announcement in a day or so, once the mirror sites
have a chance to update.

Thanks to everyone who made this release happen.  Octave would not be
possible without the amazing efforts of everyone who helps with
development, testing, and feedback.  Your efforts are greatly appreciated!

jwe

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Re: 5.1.0 sources and Windows binaries uploaded

Richard Crozier


On 25/02/2019 15:41, John W. Eaton wrote:

> The 5.1.0 sources and Windows have been uploaded to ftp.gnu.org.  I will
> make a formal release announcement in a day or so, once the mirror sites
> have a chance to update.
>
> Thanks to everyone who made this release happen.  Octave would not be
> possible without the amazing efforts of everyone who helps with
> development, testing, and feedback.  Your efforts are greatly appreciated!
>
> jwe
>

Not as much as we appreciate yours. Thanks!

This may be controversial, but have you considered offering a version of
Octave through the windows App store for a charge? This would be a
charge for convenience since users could still download from the website.

Richard
The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
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Re: 5.1.0 sources and Windows binaries uploaded

siko1056
On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 2:37 PM CROZIER Richard <[hidden email]> wrote:

This may be controversial, but have you considered offering a version of
Octave through the windows App store for a charge? This would be a
charge for convenience since users could still download from the website.

Richard
The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.

Can you just upload the "octave-5.1.0-w64-installer.exe" installer there or does it take some extra effort?
Otherwise I think that would be a convenient way of donation.

On the con side, I see that Octave would support Microsoft a lot [1]:

§ 6 b. Store Fees.  30% (non-subscription), 15% (subscription)
 
Kai

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Re: 5.1.0 sources and Windows binaries uploaded

mmuetzel
Am 27. Februar 2019 um 13:27 Uhr schrieb "Kai Torben Ohlhus":
>
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 2:37 PM CROZIER Richard <[hidden email][mailto:[hidden email]]> wrote:
> > This may be controversial, but have you considered offering a version of
> > Octave through the windows App store for a charge? This would be a
> > charge for convenience since users could still download from the website.
>
> Can you just upload the "octave-5.1.0-w64-installer.exe" installer there or does it take some extra effort?

AFAIK, only UWP apps are distributed in the Microsoft Store.
It would probably be a major effort (or even impossible) to convert Octave to a UWP app.

Markus

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Re: 5.1.0 sources and Windows binaries uploaded

nrjank
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On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 8:20 AM Kai Torben Ohlhus <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 2:37 PM CROZIER Richard <[hidden email]> wrote:

This may be controversial, but have you considered offering a version of
Octave through the windows App store for a charge? This would be a
charge for convenience since users could still download from the website.

Richard
The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.

Can you just upload the "octave-5.1.0-w64-installer.exe" installer there or does it take some extra effort?
Otherwise I think that would be a convenient way of donation.

It will likely be a bit more involved than that.  Windows Apps live in a sandboxed environment, are installed in a hidden/admin locked folder, and generally operate with different overall permissions.  I have no idea how package management would work in that environment. It would require someone to register with a MS developer account (one time not-too-large fee). There is apparently a process for packaging a desktop program for Universal Windows Platform[1] including a Desktop App Converter[ 2].  Maybe this isn't any more messy than the packaging done on Linux systems. But I doubt it.

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Re: 5.1.0 sources and Windows binaries uploaded

nrjank
On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 9:46 AM Nicholas Jankowski <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 8:20 AM Kai Torben Ohlhus <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 2:37 PM CROZIER Richard <[hidden email]> wrote:

This may be controversial, but have you considered offering a version of
Octave through the windows App store for a charge? This would be a
charge for convenience since users could still download from the website.

Richard
The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.

Can you just upload the "octave-5.1.0-w64-installer.exe" installer there or does it take some extra effort?
Otherwise I think that would be a convenient way of donation.

It will likely be a bit more involved than that.  Windows Apps live in a sandboxed environment, are installed in a hidden/admin locked folder, and generally operate with different overall permissions.  I have no idea how package management would work in that environment. It would require someone to register with a MS developer account (one time not-too-large fee). There is apparently a process for packaging a desktop program for Universal Windows Platform[1] including a Desktop App Converter[ 2].  Maybe this isn't any more messy than the packaging done on Linux systems. But I doubt it.


More details on 'behind the scenes' filesystem behavior to sandbox the app  package update/installation as it is now would simply not work. program folder structure is read-only.  local changes can be made/stored in user/AppData, so some settings would be preserved, but no local .octaverc changes, etc. I don't know if there's anything else this would break.  While it doesn't seem that any core octave behaviors would run afoul of Windows store restrictions (no game emulators/browsers mainly), we probably wouldn't know until running a full test suite with an App'd version.
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Re: 5.1.0 sources and Windows binaries uploaded

fgnievinski
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Hi, thanks a lot for the new version.

I'd appreciate any pointers about the difference between the following two
installer versions, please:

octave-5.1.0-w64-installer.exe
octave-5.1.0-w64-64-installer.exe


-FGN.



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Re: 5.1.0 sources and Windows binaries uploaded

tmacchant
----- Original Message -----

> From: fgnievinski 
> To: octave-maintainers> Cc:
> Date: 2019/3/12, Tue 12:48
> Subject: Re: 5.1.0 sources and Windows binaries uploaded
>
> Hi, thanks a lot for the new version.
>
> I'd appreciate any pointers about the difference between the following two
> installer versions, please:
>
> octave-5.1.0-w64-installer.exe
> octave-5.1.0-w64-64-installer.exe


You can see the difference in the below.
https://www.gnu.org/software/octave/#install


Tatsuro

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Re: 5.1.0 sources and Windows binaries uploaded

tmacchant




----- Original Message -----

> From: Tatsuro MATSUOKA <
> To: fgnievinski <"[hidden email]"
> Cc:
> Date: 2019/3/12, Tue 14:09
> Subject: Re: 5.1.0 sources and Windows binaries uploaded
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>>  From: fgnievinski 
>>  To: octave-maintainers> Cc:
>>  Date: 2019/3/12, Tue 12:48
>>  Subject: Re: 5.1.0 sources and Windows binaries uploaded
>>
>>  Hi, thanks a lot for the new version.
>>
>>  I'd appreciate any pointers about the difference between the following
> two
>>  installer versions, please:
>>
>>  octave-5.1.0-w64-installer.exe
>>  octave-5.1.0-w64-64-installer.exe
>
>
> You can see the difference in the below.
> https://www.gnu.org/software/octave/#install
>
Sorry you cannot see the above URL.
go

https://www.gnu.org/software/octave/#install

Press Windows button

Yo can see the explanation
octave-5.1.0-w64-64-installer.exe

Windows-64 (64-bit linear algebra for large data)
Unless your computer has more than ~32GB of memory and you need to solve linear algebra problems with arrays containing more than ~2 billion elements, this version will offer no advantage over the recommended Windows-64 version above.

Tatsuro

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Re: 5.1.0 sources and Windows binaries uploaded

fgnievinski
Thanks for the clarification.

I was following the Release news, which linked directly to the FTP server:

https://www.gnu.org/software/octave/news/release/2019/03/01/octave-5.1-released.html

-FGN.



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